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Re: Questions about the Jedi Path
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A question for masters and knights:

What do you like to see in initiates as they prepare for apprenticeship? What lesson (s) would you most want them to learn as they complete their initiate work?

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It'd probably depend on person to person. Personally I looked for someone willing to make an effort. Apprenticeship is a longtime commitment, there can't be much of cutting corners. The answers given or quality of them isnt that important, but the person taking time and energy to attempt an answer as well as they can, that's what's important to me. Basically, showing a willingness to give it a solid go.

The initiate stage is a great one, because the lessons so handily gathered in the doctrine are the basics you'll always come back to. The individual teachings and vows + the lines of the code will come up time and time again in other lessons later, hence the effort put into studying them is immensely valuable, even if it takes one's entire apprenticeship and then some to fully understand them.

I wasn't looking for someone who's interpret every line just as I do, simply someone willing to put time into it and who'd see the value of them on the path. Being able and willing to put them into context of their own life experiences was a big plus for me, because it shows abilty to reflect over these teachings on a more personal level. Which the Jedi path is all about, because learning all this by heart means little if we cannot put it to use and incorporate them into our lives. There's a saying; we get what we give. It's true on most things, if we do not give time and energy to learning how to walk the path, we get little out of it.

And it's important to remember, in my opinion, that we are all different, coming from different places, ages, experiences and so on. We don't judge a book by its cover and we take time to get to know each other and how the other sees the world. Nobody was born in a vaccume, we're all shaped differently and from different circumstances. Those differences are valuable, because we can learn so much from seeing the world from someone elses point of view.

I'm not sure this completely answered your questions, just my thought on the matter.

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Good question. Get solid in the basics, understanding the doctrine and learning how to apply it when life gets too difficult. Meditate at least 5 mins a day. Don't be afraid to ask lots of questions and speak-up if you're having a problem with a lesson.

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Thanks, Master Nira - it did answer my question, plus a few others I had been wondering about but hadn't put into words yet.

I notice a lot of people bristle at the length of time each step takes, too. Sometimes I wish I could fast forward through a few of the less pleasant lessons, lol, but there's not much point in the whole thing if you skip the hard parts.

Something else I often forget is just what you said about it being a two-way street. It takes time to get to know one another and not just for the student to find the teacher, but also for the teacher to find the student. And when I think about it, I was still dodging you for a time even after we got going, lol!

Thanks for your insight too, Master Octagon - the basics are the basics for a good reason!

Thanks for your thoughts, guys!

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I've mentioned it before why I feel the basics are so important. When under stress our higher mental functions actually shut down. We begin to think more with our instincts and emotions to see us through fight or flight situations.

We also tend to revert back to whatever skills we've used the most. So some Jedi when faced with a difficult situation will put what they've learned about Jediism on the back burner and go with what they learned from childhood or basic training until the crisis is over then go back to the Jedi path.

Those who have made Jediism a core foundation in their life will turn to it first. Using breathing skills to steady and calm themselves so they can think more clearly. Meditation to better attune to a solution to the current crisis. Then actions based on the Jedi doctrine to restore balance in their life or the lives of those around them.

Once this is mastered and practiced, it becomes as easy as jumping on the phone and working it out with your best friend, only in this case your best friend has become your inner master.

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I can testify towards that, and I wholeheartedly agree. It's very easy to automatically revert back to old habits and reactionary patterns.

Which is why the initiate phase of studying the doctrine feels very important to me, but at the same time it requires reinforcement and continuing practice through the apprenticeship and later knighthood, in order to make it stick and cause permanent change to how we approach and face these situations.

I'll admit I too ought to go over the basics more often that I actually do, even as I continue to practice the practice. Knowing that this is indeed a challenge that require a long term dedication, it seems to me that if the interest and the will isn't there to begin with, it'll be near impossible to motivate oneself towards it in the future unless one is willing to take a step back and give it a new and refreshed try. Because mastery takes time and effort, which ought to be given, in my opinion, to every stage of the process. Initiate or knight.

Training doesn't end when one is labelled "knight" or "master", and "real training" doesn't start with apprenticing. Rushing through the initiate phase to start "real training" isn't doing oneself a favor. It's making the rest of the journey harder, in the long run, the way I see it. Though, in all fairness and to be honest, I admit I did almost believe so when I started out myself. I was as impatient as any, and didn't see at the time quite how important it was. Hindsight is always 20/20, lol.


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Good observations

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Greetings Each Bows

Amy san Question.

I like to see commitment, Steady detailed answers and reflection on study. I see to many trample through the assignments as quickly as possible but never really absorb the content.

A flower takes time to open when the sun comes up . A field of sew seeds ripens over time.

Yes some of the assignments can take a while to complete. I can just about remember doing my studies every day I took part..took me best part of 18 months to complete and it still continues.

Patience, Focus, determination, study evolve :)

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