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I'm putting this up for community discussion. How do members feel about adding Dark and Gray Jedi Forums?

The purpose as I see it would be to discuss how Jedi should relate to these things, experiences, and even expand the lessons presented in 'The Cave' exercise. My thoughts but looking forward to reading your's as well.

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I still fail to see why we designate Jedi teachings and life as Light/dark and grey, Jedi are supposed to learn the ways of the force and the totality of life so why not just make it all the same forum.

My hand book doesn't separate the teachings they maybe listed as Light and dark but they are all part of the lesson of being a true Jedi and a true humanitarian.

Just my opinion.

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Well said Master Scythe. Anyone else like to share their opinions on this topic?

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I hate to be so in between, lol, but I see both arguments. I love the idea of expanding the temple into more studies - but at the same time, Master Scythe hits the nail on the head: it's all the Force, so why pick sides?

I actually find it helpful as a matter of perspective, though. If I think of my training as on any one side, I unwittingly ignore (or even avoid) the other. It's also a bit fun to play with all the identities and the connotations associated within them. I believe it helps develop a holistic approach to one's studies. Exercises and lessons within each (light, gray, and dark) in order to be a well-rounded Jedi?

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Greetings

Master Octagon, we had a similar chat a little while ago. Some will state there is definite Light and dark side. Not forgetting that Jedi and the Force of either light and dark are a fictional creation. However there is a philosophy which will depend on how any individual viesw it, thats what makes us who we are. Most of us are like thinking people be will always have as light difference of view that is quite natural.
The individual makes the distinction at any one given time of either being light or Dark In my opinion you have to have a balance in purety there should not be either that would be enlightenment. As I see it the Light generally has a set of guidlines which one is expected to follow IE the teaching the code and the Cread, The Dark side generally says you do what you think is right there are no rules. A samurai was never expected to give an oath his word was enough.
The conversation could go on for ever it is a circle. The Force or KI as I call it has no distiction of either it is neither positive nor negative it just is.
Aikido is a good example applied technique causes much discomfort but disapates instantly when released.
I'm going to stop there lol.-

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I always liked the phrase that the main difference between the Jedi and the Sith is the that the Sith are motivated to do everything to serve themselves, the Jedi seek to serve others. Yet, to help others you have to be a bit self-centered or you will be walked all over by the needs of others. So balance must be found.

Good, evil, or gray, often boil down to judgement calls given by those who are judging others based on observed acts. This is something we learn at an early age so the concept of stepping outside of ourselves and being a non-judgment observer is often a very difficult one to even understand, let alone master.

In terms of karmic laws, we actually judge ourselves based on our intent. We become our own judge, jury, and jailer. Which is sometimes why so many people develop issues based on suppressed guilt, lack of self love, and self compassion.
Conversely by generating good karmic focus, we open ourselves up to finding our soulmates, finding the perfect job, or perfect self employment ventures, and also get coined as 'lucky' because we usually find ourselves at the right place at the right time, most of the time.

There is always a need to understand it's not so much what happens to us, it's how we react to it, that determines our success. Sometimes, we don't really understand the darkness or our fears, we often end up being dominated by them. So the focus would be understanding and inner domination as opposed to controlling others, and an expansion of using the the Force for greater knowledge and defense.



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Hey all!

I'm with Master Scythe on this topic.
To be honest, I don't even really understand, what are the actual differences between Jedi vs Gray Jedi or Dark Jedi vs Sith (latter more like technically speaking).
I already talked about things that somehow are considered dark side approaches but I fail to see why when only produces good results with good intentions and even good tools. (like the matter of how we handle emotions and passion - some agreed, some did not, but the world is colourful because it's not black and white )

In the fiction, Gray Jedi imho was just a label to put on individuals with different approaches to the same problems (providing with the same good intentions, of course). Master Qui-Gon Jinn was considered a gray Jedi *only* because he saw the weaknesses of the (prequel-era) Jedi Order and did not agree with the Council in everything. (Other example people usually come up with is Jolee Bindo from KoTOR but as far as I know, he doesn't even consider himself a Jedi at all. Correct me if I am wrong )
So it is more like a matter of authority rather than actual differences in teachings and views. So in my opinion, in the world of fiction, if the Jedi Council was more open-minded, observing and flexible, the term Gray Jedi would lose its meaning because Jedi in general may differ in ways they solve issues and conflicts. Of course, it has its own limitations and moral problems too but I believe it's not really an issue when someone truly listens to the Force.

There is the Force Academy Forum - which I long promised myself to involve into more - there are lots of amazing material on this topic, there maybe I can find my answers to the questions I asked above.

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*"I still fail to see why we designate Jedi teachings and life as Light/dark and grey, Jedi are supposed to learn the ways of the force and the totality of life so why not just make it all the same forum."*

I resonate with what Scythe is saying here for i too believe the force is multi faceted. Consisting of yin and yang within as well as the grey for it's a newer perspective that is outside of the box in my opinion. I just had an experience with this and was on a journey trying to figure this out.
We talk about light and dark side which i am going to ask what aliance do you resonate with the most? I feel this is an important question and my answer which took me a few months to figure it out. I am loyal to the light side and love working with the energies there that reside there. As a follower of the force having studied the shadow and darkness within myself within doesn't make me a darksider.
Looking at the darkness within and my shadow activating teaching me the lesson that i am in total control of my reality. My world is a mirror of myself and i can learn a lot by getting to know my world.
Darkness inside was worked through for holding back emotion was not helping me. Sith philosophy to me taught me self empowerment which to becoming a Jedi to someday serve i must work internally on myself first. If i can't do the things i do for others on myself then how can i do it for another?
By working through some pretty dark parts within myself my light grew brighter and the line of there is no emotion yet peace flows into what i've learned from my journey of letting emotion in.
There is knowledge and strength which translates to by gaining an awareness about myself and understanding myself deeply only then can i truly find knowledge. Which knowledge is power and the things you learn on the respective journeys have they empowered you? By realizing there is emotion yet finding peace letting it flow yet not being ruled by emotion for example. Has that empowered you and made you a better version of yourself? If not then pardon yet just an example personally and i speak from my own perception yet believe this is to be said.
Force realism is about finding the reality and connecting with ourselves then by again understanding ourselves. Working on ourselves and doing the hard work which the force is with us the whole way breaking us down to build us up. Guiding us to learn to be better and to someday serve you connect with yourself. Each jedi is different and unique with their own individual coding that adds onto serving. Once you figured those out and now are aware you can learn how to wield your force to aid, serve, heal, or inspire others. Just a few examples of what some jedi i know have done in the reality of being a real life jedi.
Sith path and Jedi path are different yet for we look at ourselves through a different lense. Anyone here Empathic and remember those feelings of i only feel the cold or pain of this world. All the hurt and sadness this feels like a curse more then a gift? Did you know your looking at the world through the lense of pain, hurt, sadness etc. Yet you can see the joy, the love, the laughter and much more as you learn to Master that gift. It's the same with jedi vs. sith path in my own personal opinion for the force is the individual.
Yet they both lead to the same source just different paths you can take and depends on which lense you look at yourself through. By facing my inner darkness and gaining an understanding of how i work was very empowering.

So my energy comes through my texts and i noticed some may get confused by what im saying. If some of you are having trouble understanding me please clarify yet i run into this issue when my mind is thinking a lot. Some may be overwhelmed by my energy and can lead to confusion even though im typing in the english language.

My vote is if there are enough interested and open to some topic threads i vote yes. I think it'd be very helpful and realizing just because i followed sith philosophy which helped my passion to flourish. No one can make you do anything and you must want to look through those lenses yourself. Remember you must want it and it's definitely hard work yet rewarding. i personally suggest an alliance with the light aspect for less illusions can happen and you keep the higher vibrations. Ohterwise demons, dark energies, and other sides can start being attracted to you which i learned again by switching to the dark side which i realized i never had to do. Just sharing that lesson and not trying to convince all i can do is speak what i believe my truth to be.
By facing my trauma and opening up to my fear i was made stronger which now i'm focusing through a new lense the force told me to look through. Grey jedi is very interesting and can be used as an excuse yet again the reality to grey thinking is very eye opening. Black and white thinking is helpful at the beginning for it's more concrete which grey is more of wider aspect. This ends

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Thanks for the post. In the end, labels mean little. Most important thing is living the type of life that helps you and others.

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I agree with Master Octagon. Labels mean little and trying to distinguish between what a gray Jedi is vs a dark Jedi vs a true Jedi is more or less... moot. and I agree with Master Scythe, if the force is one all encompassing thing that includes the entirety of all beliefs then it isn't the force itself that has sides, but how people interpret it and your intent behind it.

Theres my 2 cents, hope to see more discussion on this.

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